2/27: MORE KISS HOF DISCUSSION AND THOUGHTS

Been doing press all day for That Metal Show and almost everyone is bringing up the Kiss HOF stuff with me. It is no doubt the story of the week and since it broke on my show last Friday when Ace called in many are discussing it with me. It’s interesting to hear everyone’s take on all of this. It’s also been interesting reading everyone’s comments here on this site and the loads of email about it. I get and understand ALL sides of this. People who actually take the time to fully listen to and read what I say realize there is no agenda here but being a fan and giving MY opinion when asked. I respect yours even if it differs from mine. Just like I respect your decision to go see the current version of Kiss, even if I decided a while ago it’s not for me. There is SO much misinformation out there. Not only about what I say and feel (anything positive doesn’t make a good headline) but about the whole HOF process to begin with. In a nutshell I think this whole thing again comes down to Gene and Paul not wanting to go down reunion road with Ace and Peter at all, and not wanting to open a huge can of worms like the MTV Unplugged. Again, I was there, once Ace and Peter came out for two songs it was a reunion avalanche they could not go away from. When you spend 12 years telling people (believe it or not) it doesn’t matter who is behind the makeup, you can’t bring Ace and Peter out and get a huge reaction and remind everyone it does matter! Eventually Kiss wil be a franchise with no original members in those personas. That is where this is all heading. Going back to the original band hurts selling that concept and is bad for the current Kiss business model. I don’t believe it is any real hate against Ace and Peter, it is just a bad business decision and we all know Kiss knows business! I don’t agree with this decision, but get it from a marketing standpoint.

 

There has also been a familiar cry from Ace and Peter detractors that “they had their chance, they fucked it up”. True, they will be the first to tell you they are far from innocent in their conduct at times while a member of the band. But what exactly does that have to do with now? NOBODY wants a reunion tour again. I sure don’t! Nobody can go forever. But it seems the past keeps getting thrown out there as a reason for the HOF issue. Why? It has nothing to do with the fact that the original four guys are the ones being inducted and a song or two is all anyone is looking for one night only. Nobody is also mentioning that these guys have been clean and sober for many years now. People change with time. A couple songs would have only damaged one thing, the current Kiss marketing plans. And I GET THAT. If I was trying to sell what was coming and owned the business of Kiss like Gene and Paul do I can’t say I would feel different from a BUSINESS angle. But we were always told the fans were the boss with Kiss. And no denying the MAJORITY of the fans who fought so long and hard to see this day are upset. But I still feel no performance in this instance (because the HOF decided only the original four are going in) is better than a current band performance which you can see any time you want pretty much.

 

I am curious if they all show up. To me it’s clear if you read the recent interview that Paul is annoyed with the whole process (rightfully so), the fact they were snubbed for 15 years, and the fact the HOF is ignoring other members for induction (again, the case can be made rightfully so). But most artists who complain about it still end up showing up. Axl Rose didn’t. he knew it was all a play for a reunion if even for a photo op and stayed away. I honestly don’t think the HOF cares that much if Kiss plays. Getting them in the same room together is a victory enough for them. Now we wait and see what happens next. Do all four guys show? What does the HOF put on since there is no performance from the band? Is there so much fan pressure that a last minute performance gets pulled together? One more thing; fans did not get Kiss in the HOF through voting. It’s a nice thought and the fans being so vocal about it helped sway voters, but the actual fan vote is minimal and can not alone get a band in. If it did bands like Kiss, Rush and Alice Cooper would not have been snubbed over a decade! If the HOF would have put Kiss in when they were first eligible in 1999 none of this would be happening, because the original band was still together then from the reunion! And we all know the fact that Kiss, like them or not, should have gone in first time eligible, NOT 15 years later! More soon no doubt.. Again, ALL opinions welcome here as always.

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  • Justin on

    Could Ace and Peter join up with a bassist and rhythm guitarist and perform either Black Diamond, Beth, Cold Gin, Strange Ways, etc. if they wanted? If they HOF allowed?


    • Eddie on

      NO, the night is not just about Kiss. MANY bands and time and production an issue


  • Justin on

    Could Ace and Peter perform Black Diamond, Beth, or Shock Me at the HOF if they wanted?


    • Eddie on

      They can not do their own thing, this is not just about Kiss


  • Justin on

    I know that. I’m just thinking that Mike Anthony and Sammy did it with Paul Shaffer while the rest of the band didn’t show up. In this case it would be that Gene and Paul didn’t want to play. Ace and Peter still could?


  • Justin on

    Gene is always taking shots at Ace and Peter over substance abuse. I love Gene and Paul. I like the new lineup. My wife brought me to see them I’m Dallas. Tommy and Eric are awesome. I don’t want a reunion. I love Ace and Peter. I wish KISS had a relationship with Ace and Peter the way Scorpions do with Michael Schemker. They could make an occasional appearance. Did anyone watch the Lynyrd Skynyrd induction? Gary Rossington and Artimus Pyle have said horrible things about each other, but they knew Lynyrd Skynyrd was bigger than themselves. Bob Burns and Artimus Pyle played drums together on stage with Gary Rossington and even Ed King. KISS is bigger than Gene and Paul, Ace and Peter. They should play with Bruce, Tommy, and Eric in no makeup.

    Back to substance abuse. Gene blames Ace and Peter for KISS. He blames Axl Rose for Slash and Adler though. He claims GNR fell apart due to substance abuse, but its Axl’s fought. Why doesn’t he blame himself or Paul when it comes to KISS over Ace and Peter’s so called abuse?

    http://www.list.co.uk/article/38727-gene-simmons-thinks-axl-would-benefit-from-beating/

    By the way, Ace, Peter, and Slash are happily sober.


  • Danny on

    I’m happy KISS is being acknowledged in the Rock Hall. They’re being inducted in New York, where it started for them.

    As far as any of them playing – I could see Ace and Peter joining in at the end. It’s up to Paul Shaffer, who inducted Peter into the Long Island Music Hall of Fame, and did a guest appearance on Peter’s album a few years ago. And there’s not a damn thing Gene and Paul can do to stop it.


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