Been doing press all day for That Metal Show and almost everyone is bringing up the Kiss HOF stuff with me. It is no doubt the story of the week and since it broke on my show last Friday when Ace called in many are discussing it with me. It’s interesting to hear everyone’s take on all of this. It’s also been interesting reading everyone’s comments here on this site and the loads of email about it. I get and understand ALL sides of this. People who actually take the time to fully listen to and read what I say realize there is no agenda here but being a fan and giving MY opinion when asked. I respect yours even if it differs from mine. Just like I respect your decision to go see the current version of Kiss, even if I decided a while ago it’s not for me. There is SO much misinformation out there. Not only about what I say and feel (anything positive doesn’t make a good headline) but about the whole HOF process to begin with. In a nutshell I think this whole thing again comes down to Gene and Paul not wanting to go down reunion road with Ace and Peter at all, and not wanting to open a huge can of worms like the MTV Unplugged. Again, I was there, once Ace and Peter came out for two songs it was a reunion avalanche they could not go away from. When you spend 12 years telling people (believe it or not) it doesn’t matter who is behind the makeup, you can’t bring Ace and Peter out and get a huge reaction and remind everyone it does matter! Eventually Kiss wil be a franchise with no original members in those personas. That is where this is all heading. Going back to the original band hurts selling that concept and is bad for the current Kiss business model. I don’t believe it is any real hate against Ace and Peter, it is just a bad business decision and we all know Kiss knows business! I don’t agree with this decision, but get it from a marketing standpoint.
There has also been a familiar cry from Ace and Peter detractors that “they had their chance, they fucked it up”. True, they will be the first to tell you they are far from innocent in their conduct at times while a member of the band. But what exactly does that have to do with now? NOBODY wants a reunion tour again. I sure don’t! Nobody can go forever. But it seems the past keeps getting thrown out there as a reason for the HOF issue. Why? It has nothing to do with the fact that the original four guys are the ones being inducted and a song or two is all anyone is looking for one night only. Nobody is also mentioning that these guys have been clean and sober for many years now. People change with time. A couple songs would have only damaged one thing, the current Kiss marketing plans. And I GET THAT. If I was trying to sell what was coming and owned the business of Kiss like Gene and Paul do I can’t say I would feel different from a BUSINESS angle. But we were always told the fans were the boss with Kiss. And no denying the MAJORITY of the fans who fought so long and hard to see this day are upset. But I still feel no performance in this instance (because the HOF decided only the original four are going in) is better than a current band performance which you can see any time you want pretty much.
I am curious if they all show up. To me it’s clear if you read the recent interview that Paul is annoyed with the whole process (rightfully so), the fact they were snubbed for 15 years, and the fact the HOF is ignoring other members for induction (again, the case can be made rightfully so). But most artists who complain about it still end up showing up. Axl Rose didn’t. he knew it was all a play for a reunion if even for a photo op and stayed away. I honestly don’t think the HOF cares that much if Kiss plays. Getting them in the same room together is a victory enough for them. Now we wait and see what happens next. Do all four guys show? What does the HOF put on since there is no performance from the band? Is there so much fan pressure that a last minute performance gets pulled together? One more thing; fans did not get Kiss in the HOF through voting. It’s a nice thought and the fans being so vocal about it helped sway voters, but the actual fan vote is minimal and can not alone get a band in. If it did bands like Kiss, Rush and Alice Cooper would not have been snubbed over a decade! If the HOF would have put Kiss in when they were first eligible in 1999 none of this would be happening, because the original band was still together then from the reunion! And we all know the fact that Kiss, like them or not, should have gone in first time eligible, NOT 15 years later! More soon no doubt.. Again, ALL opinions welcome here as always.
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I would expect this from Journey, Boston or other
corporate rock bands. It’s sad that four guys that
made a monumental impression in rock history
cannot put aside their differences and celebrate
their accomplishment. Maybe instead of the
rock hall of fame they should be placed in the
Private sector successful business hall of fame.
Now I know why I always look to The Clash, The Sex Pistols
and The Ramones as true rock-n-roll.
Never understood the term “corporate rock”. Seems to me to mean bands that sold millions of albums
I’m curious if an offer was made to Ace,Peter the didn’t accept.By Gene,Paul’s account all members were to be represented at the performance part. If they didn’t want to share the stage with other players in make-up (maybe they shouldn’t have sold the rights away.)
The RNR HOF began in 1986 with SIXTEEN (16) inductees. THE BEATLES & THE BEACH BOYS didn’t get in until the 3rd ceremony in 1988. The obvious solution to get everyone in that “deserves it before they die”, ie Jon Lord of Deep Purple and several others, is to increase the amount of inductions each year. The fewest amount of artists inducted were between 2005 – 2008, (2007 had FIVE (5) total inductees.) Induction categories are: Early Influence, Lifetime Achievement, Non-Performer, Performer, Sideman & The Award for Musical Excellence. The latter 2 are the most recently created categories.
Don’t believe in this band anymore. Like it matters. Go play foot ball or sell some shitty food. Oh well heros die.
Eddie, like you as a Kiss Fan since 1978 when my brothers brought home Alive 2 and Bob Seger Live on the same day I was hooked. Never wavered on my Kiss Army status until Gene did what he did on the family Jewels Show. That was it for me and my brother in law! I get the childish hurt feelings, not down playing just saying they are grown men….GROW UP! As much as you lobbied for this I still think it’s a waste of time! I love all kinds of music but I stand fast on the title “The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame” Miles Davis is a Jazz Musician, so change the name to the Music Hall of Fame”! Lastly, Ace and Peter have the same right to be who they are right or wrong and the fans except them for who they are. So Gene & Paul need to look at that! If it’s good enough for us fans isn’t that all that matters?