Wow, just waking up after a very late night last night and seeing the incredible response to Ace’s announcement on my show last night that he and Peter are not being allowed to play with the original band being inducted by Gene and Paul. I was aware this was coming and have been a sounding board in many conversations with many different parties ever since the HOF was announced for Kiss. Nobody was going to say anything publicly because everyone had hoped an announcement like Ace made could be avoided and at least the original band could do a song or two. The news had to come from Ace or Peter when they were ready and Ace asked me last night if he could come on because he needed to let the fans know what they were dealing with before they purchased tickets to attend (they go on sale Monday). That’s why this happened somewhat last minute on my show late last night. Tons of fans were going to come from all over and pay God knows what to see the original band, the band being inducted. Now there is transparency as to what is going on and that there are no plans for a reunion that night. As a fellow Kiss fan and someone who has been extremely vocal about them getting into the HOF for years, I join the MANY really disappointed today. The comments section of my site has blown up about this as well as my social media. Everyone has their view here and all opinions welcome as always. My understanding is Peter will also be posting a statement soon on his site if not already and is in the same position as Ace.
A few things now that this news is out:
Gene and Paul had to know this was coming at some point. What is strange however is that Gene in his initial RS interview seemed open to playing. It was Paul who had a different take via Twitter. The word out there for a while now is Paul is calling the shots in Kiss world. Wonder how much internally they are on the same page on this? Especially with the fallout so far from fans?
Does Kiss play at all? Could be one solution to all of this. That nobody plays. That would likely maybe get Ace and Peter to at least attend. Would the HOF accept a tribute vs a Kiss performance? If current Kiss plays, as it looks now, this also puts Tommy and Eric in quite a spot. They take their orders from above but hard to imagine they would want to be in that spot. But who knows? They did it during VH1 Rock Honors, but this is much bigger and only original band going in.
I was contacted last night by the HOF producer Joel Gallen. He may come on the air with me at some point. He said the HOF position is that they are inducting the original 4 and that is who they would like to play. But the HOF will not dictate Kiss can not play if they are only willing to do it with the current band. Meaning they will accept current Kiss if that is all the owners of Kiss (Gene & Paul) are willing to do, but it is not their preference. He also said nothing was decided as to what will now happen with the Kiss performance and he was hoping maybe something could still be worked out. Seems unlikely at this point since this event is rapidly approaching, Ace and Peter would need time to reconnect and rehearse with Gene and Paul, and needless to say feelings are very bruised at the moment. My take is you will either see the current band or no version of Kiss play. Also will be interesting to see if the massive backlash from fans about no original performance pressures what happens now in some way.
I have read many comments saying Gene & Paul’s decision is ego driven. While that may play some role if you read previous posts here about this I have written I truly think it is more BUSINESS driven. When you spend over ten years selling the “it doesn’t matter who is in the band” concept, and rebranding Kiss to be a franchise where they say members don’t matter, this is not good for that master plan. Why? Because it wipes all that work away and shows it DOES matter! Look no further for proof than the MTV unplugged taping. When Ace & Peter walked out for 2 songs at the end they saw how huge it was and had to do a reunion in ’96. In other words it’s a big can of worms to open and hurts their ultimate plan to sell Kiss as a franchise where members are interchangeable. No matter what, unlike ’96 there would never be a reunion tour no matter what happened. As a fan honestly I wouldn’t even want to see it. In your 40’s possible, 60’s now, no way. A show? A few songs? Sure. But fans thinking there could be a full reunion tour? Never saw that remotely possible.
Do Ace & Peter go now? I feel this is a personal decision that only they can make. There is no right or wrong answer. It is their honor and up to how they feel if they want to stand up there even for 3 minutes. Time will tell as we get closer what they do. With performance off the table as of now they can make a decision I would think right up to a day or two before. I see both sides of it and the feelings involved and really think it is all up to how they feel.
Do Gene and Paul go? Sounds crazy but who knows? Paul clearly has no love for this process from his recent interview in RS. Do they send a statement and just check out of the whole thing? Unlikely but who knows?
Much of the blame here is being pointed toward Gene and Paul. And rightfully so in the sense that according to Ace and all sources they are the ones saying they won’t play with the original band, but the HOF has plenty of blame here also. Why? BECAUSE THEY WAITED 15 YEARS TO PUT KISS IN! Think about this; if they put Kiss in in 1999 when they first became eligible (and SHOULD have gone in), this would be a non issue! Because the original band was together then! The HOF can also be blamed for just caving to what Gene & Paul want and not considering Ace and Peter in this. If they said to Kiss (G&P) only band being inducted or nobody plays at least it would have been a level playing field. But as the HOF told me they will not do that because whoever controls the name is who they ultimately leave the performance parameters up to.
Much can still happen here. Remember although we are focused on Kiss as Kiss fans, there are 7 other bands going in that have to play as well. Although Kiss fans may dominate this event (how much so now with no reunion I don’t know), the other inductees need their moment and performance too. So who knows when it gets to budgets and stage specs what whatever version of Kiss plays agrees to and if it all works out.
All of this can be debated and discussed forever but those are some of my thoughts. As always my doors remains open to ALL to discuss and debate and members of the HOF may very well come on the air with me as they have in the past when I was screaming to get Kiss in the damn thing! Ace and Peter are scheduled to come on TMS together next month. More on that when we get closer. For most Kiss fans this news sucks big time, but there’s still about 7 weeks left to see what unfolds.. All we know as of now is that their is no performance for the original band planned or being allowed by Gene and Paul. We have been told for decades that the FANS are the boss of Kiss. Judging from the reaction to this news this is one instance that clearly does not apply..
Sorry for any typos, been a long late night last night. All comments welcome and being posted ASAP.
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For the people who say what Gene and Paul are doing isn’t fair I have to say this: Why should they be? Peter and Ace had the world in their hands back in the 70’s and screwed it up by abusing drugs and alcohol and they almost ruined Kiss in the process. Then they had a second chance to make things right for the reunion and Psycho Circus tours but did it again the exact same way.
I love Kiss, especially the original lineup but it’s Peter and Ace who owe an apology to Kiss fans for being self-centered. I’m tired of listening to them play up to the fans whenever Gene and Paul do something the fans don’t like. They’ve been playing this game for years. And when I say ‘fans” I really mean fans of Peter and Ace since they’re really the only ones who are upset at this story.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
please explain to me all this bullshit that Ace screwed his chances up?…..he left the band both times of his own accord….were they good decisions….to most of us no…but only he can say what his reasons were…..he has never been thrown out or sacked from KISS…..Ace owes none of us an Apology……what part of this RRHOF induction do people not get…..they are inducting the original 4…..whether they play or not together i couldnt give a fuck……i dont want a reunion tour thats gone….but the 4 guys that started this should have the decency to at least show up together on the stage and except the award ……as for your statement that Ace and Peter almost ruined KISS…….heres what nearly ruined KISS….Unmasked, The Elder…….and trying to keep up with what was popular in music….instead of doing what they did best ……all 4 had EGO,S out of control……..
Eddie, you mentioned yourself 16 times in this blog. That might be a new record for you.
Well thanks for reading so closely with whatever agenda YOU have. Since it is about MY thoughts on MY site who should I be mentioning and crediting those to exactly to make you comfortable??? What sites out there from a personality isn’t about that person and the news they are sharing? Strange to be so consumed with a site and person you have some issue with..
Eddie, this guy seems to be nothing but a tool. Of course when you are relating something and giving your opinion you have to use the word “I”. It’s a non issue for those of us who know how to speak. Shit stirrer …..that’s all.
Frank, please get on twitter and follow Justin Bieber and save us all a lot of indigestion….
Frank, you are loser. Thsnk you.
Eddie,
Curious if you think Gene and Paul’s decision has a little bit to do with the payback for Ace and Peter’s books. Not trying to rationalize their decision but knowing how Gene and Paul are, it seems they would relish an opportunity like this to poke ’em both right back in the eye and have the last word/laugh. I mean, Paul isn’t the most secure guy I have ever come across and it seems he especially is one to harbor resentment and bitterness even though he tries so hard to come across like he is a reasonable man. Still, if Peter and Ace were being honest in their books, I am glad they said what they said if it is true.
doubt it. This it is about control, business, branding and not wanting to open a can of worms in my view. Remember, they would need to spend time together to rehearse as well. Not just jumping on stage and seeing each other for 10 minutes.
I think the whole interchangeable members thing is bullshit, everyone knows that if either paul or gene left then its all over, if either tommy or eric left people would hate even more them sticking someone else in the makeup again and they would lose more fans, id still go see them cause they do still put on a great show, even tho i seriously hate seeing thayer in Ace’s makeup.
Maybe the 4 of them should just play a few songs with no makeup on, that way fans get to see original band togethor and paul and gene dont screw with their plans for kiss in makeup.
Analogies to GnR don’t work. Myles Kennedy didn’t dress like Axl and wear his headband when he sang. The replacement players in KISS are performing as Ace and Peter. It’s dishonest, at best. If Ace and Peter don’t want to wear the makeup, then I can see Gene and Paul not playing with them-KISS is about image, after all. But, if Ace and Peter are open to performing in costume, then anything else on stage is a slap to the fans.
Dishonest? I literally laughed out loud.
Ace and Peter sold their rights to the make up and Gene and Paul can do with that image as they wish.
Ace and Peter cared so much for the fans that they screwed up opportunity #2. They cared so much. They love the fans so much.
Take off the blinders.
Donovan…i think you need to take off the blinders……if you think that Gene and Paul care about the fans …..they couldnt give a fuck about you or i …….if bands cared so much for the fans they would be doing free shows all over the world…….All they care about is your money…..wake up