12/17: KISS FINALLY IN THE R&R HALL!

Well it has finally happened and Kiss is in the R&R Hall Of Fame. In recent years we have seen Alice Cooper, Rush, Heart finally go in. Hell if this keeps up I may not have much more to scream about. Not to worry though, still TONS of bands snubbed, including the inexplicable continued snubbing of Deep Purple, which sadly continued for this year. But for 15 years Kiss was ignored, and finally they couldn’t ignore them anymore. Make no mistake, there are many in the Hall voting panel miserable this is happening. But it HAD to happen. Not for the right reasons of music, influence, ground breaking performance etc, but for the economics. The Hall needs fans of major bands finally in Cleveland selling tickets to that museum. So the elitists who tried to keep Kiss out all these years had to fold because they need bands like Kiss and Rush because they need the fan interest those bands bring! The president of the Hall was on my radio show a couple years ago and agreed that is a concern. Laura Nyro isn’t moving tickets in Cleveland!

 

I’ve heard many people say “I hope Gene and Paul let Ace and Peter come”. That is not the way this works. They don’t control this, the Hall does. The Hall is inducting the original four members only. So they will all be invited and able to speak that night. Where the questions come in is who plays? Of course the hope for any Kiss fan is the original band does at least a song or two. Ace and Peter patched up their own issues at my radio party just a couple months ago and also played together. So nobody can say they are incapable of a couple songs as the original four. The question is will Gene and Paul agree to play with the original band? They have spent more than the last 10 years pushing the current band and slinging barbs at times at Ace and Peter. Can they bury these issues and make it work at least for a night? The problem is the enormity of the four of them on stage together will once again completely undo all the work they have done selling the current version of the band to some degree. Make no mistake, I was at the MTV unplugged, when these guys appear together it will be an avalanche from the fans in terms of reaction. So the question comes into play in the performance area. Do they all play together? Do Gene and Paul try and crowbar in the current band to play? Do Ace and Peter not play if that’s the case? Do they wear makeup? In the past many scenarios have played out with the performance portion. From more than one lineup playing, to no performance by the band at all. So anything can happen in this area and this is where the negotiation comes in and things can get dicey. They could also opt to not play and have a tribute of some sorts perform. But the original four guys will be there and be inducted. The playing is all still TBD. Back in 2006 at a VH1 show I worked on Gene and Paul refused to let Ace and Peter play with them at Rock Honors. It resulted in Peter not attending and Ace in a strange scenario playing with the tribute to Kiss while Tommy performed with Kiss dressed as Ace! But this is the Hall and much bigger and HAS to be done right and respectfully for all four members and most importantly US the FANS! So let’s see what ends up unfolding as the discussions will begin between the various camps very soon.

 

Another thing, the decision to only include the original 4. I understand the decision. I loved Eric Carr, and I am fully aware of the major contribution in KISStory by many key members. But if you don’t cut it at the original guys only then you have to put everyone that was ever in the band in. So in my view it’s the originals (which it is) or everyone (which it is not). If you extend beyond the original 4 how can you then not also include Eric Singer, who has been in the band a long time, or Bruce Kulick, or even Vinnie who had a huge role in writing key comeback albums? So it’s either all of them or just the founding members, and the Hall is only inducting Ace, Peter, Gene & Paul. Hopefully there will at least be a verbal acknowledgement of what the other guys have contributed. To me they should all four accept together, do a couple songs with the original four (after all, this honor is all about them) and then maybe jam a song with some of the Kiss super fans from other bands. I am NOT lobbying for any reunion full time here. As a matter of fact I think this would be a good time for Kiss to finally retire. Go in the Hall with the guys that started it, and everyone go on to solo stuff and other things. To me it would be a great way to end and put a button on a remarkable career ending in the Hall with the same four that started it. But that’s just my take. I’m sure Gene sees way too many business deals still left to keep dragging some version of Kiss through the mill. But Gene and Paul own the entity known as Kiss, kept it alive, and are within their right to do what they want regardless if I like it or not. I just think it would be a great way to go out. Like a football player winning the Super Bowl and then retiring.

 

So much more to come on this, but at least, FINALLY, Kiss is in! I’ve had many tweets and emails from fans thanking me for being so vocal about this for so many years on radio and TV. Not saying for a minute I played a role in Kiss, Rush or Alice going in, but I appreciate those that have sent those notes of thanks for bringing awareness to this insane injustice. I assure you many in the mainstream woke up today saying “Kiss, you mean they weren’t in that already?” Kiss was my gateway band into rock music. Regardless of my feelings about what they have done in recent years I have and always will be a Kiss fan. I think being a fan is about debating and liking different eras more than others and being able to voice those opinions. I was the guy made fun of in high school by so many for liking Kiss. I was in high school from ’79-’82, trust me, NO band was more uncool than Kiss then! Many fellow fans know of that struggle haha! So no matter what era of Kiss you were into let’s all celebrate this great overdue moment! I spoke to Ace last night and also Peter’s wife Gigi (Peter was sleeping when the news broke) and Peter himself just a couple minutes ago. Obviously all are excited and still learning how this will all go down. My annual KISSmas Special, which I have been doing since 1990, will take place live this Friday night from 11P-2A ET on Q104.3 NYC. My 23rd year celebrating all Kiss around Christmas and this year will be extra special no doubt. Ace will call in live to discuss the Hall. Also how fitting is this that this year the event is happening in Brooklyn open to the public? Especially for Peter! All respect to the other honorees but this thing is going to be all about Kiss as it should be, and I suspect the fans will let certain parties know how they feel about waiting 15 years that night. Congratulations to Ace, Peter, Gene & Paul, and to the fellow Kiss fans out there our day has finally come, so congrats to you as well. See you on the radio Friday night to celebrate KISSmas and see you in Brooklyn in April!

This just in, Rolling Stone story with Gene. They mention me and TMS. Gene clearly caught off guard because it is a ridiculous excuse for not doing TMS!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/gene-simmons-open-to-rock-hall-of-fame-kiss-reunion-with-ace-and-peter-20131217

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  • Paul David on

    Eddie, love your work but I have to disagree. As a KISS fan since 1975, the non-original members were a huge part of the band history. And this from somebody who flipped-off Vinnie several times during the “Creatures” show. Maybe even moreso in the 80s when Gene was off doing movies and other stuff. The allowed KISS to progress and a band and continue to be relevant. Good lord, Eric Carr was in the band, what, 12 years and how many albums? I get the whole, “well, if you include one, then…” but, if Guns and Roses can include Matt, Gilby, and Dizzy…seriously?


    • Eddie on

      I see your point. However only original GnR was inducted. Just because people from other lineups jam does not mean they were inducted. Gilby was not. My only point on Kiss is the only way it’s fair is the original 4 or everyone. Not 5 or 6 guys..


    • Paul David on

      Sorry, Eddie, I thought all the guys in GnR were inducted. I thought I remembered them all at the podium. I know it’s hard to discern between all the post non-original members, but Carr just seems to stand way above the rest. Since he has past (RIP), there would be no performance issues with Peter at the event. I don’t think anyone would argue with that, especially KISS fans. Given all Eric contributed to the band, just seems hard to say “that wasn’t enough.” Can’t wait for the new season of TMS. Happy Holidays.


    • Eddie on

      I agree 100% and loved the guy. Just not sure how they will handle. We will see. Just don’t think you can single out EC without then acknowledging everyone.


  • Emanuel Jr. on

    Hello, Mr. Trunk!

    I’m 34 and a huge Kiss fan from Brazil. I grew up with the non-makeup version of the band, so I think Eric Carr (at least) deserves that honor too.

    PS: I saw you at the Monsters Of Rock Festival in São Paulo. Love TMS on VH1, congrats and best wishes!


  • Jaime Soto on

    Eddie, love the show and I’m loving that Kiss is finally in! I have a question and want your opinions on some other bands that should be considered for the HOF. Obviously Deep Purple, but i don’t think Blackmore would show up. Journey, Bad Company, Thin Lizzy, Stevie Ray Vaughn. I know their not metal, but you know alot about music and the influence they have had. And is Joe Satriani going to be on this season of TMS? Thx!


    • Eddie on

      TMS guests announced soon. ALL of those bands great choices and many more. Blackmore already said he won’t go


  • Kramer on

    As far as whom to induct, it is a hard decision. I have seen all eras of the band in concert.
    The original lineup was spectacular! I was influenced By Ace to the extreme that I purchased one of the first Gibson USA/Ace Frehley Production Models, in late 1997. It took two jobs and a LOT of skimping/saving! Of course in 1979, here comes Van Halen!! More guitar lust.
    Anywho…Point is, They were young, ambitious…could run all over the stage, in 7 inch heels, and not get burned to a crisp because of the hotter the hell (hehheh) fire and explosions!
    Over the years I attended at least one KISS concert a year, when possible.
    Some were better then others. All had their moments. KISS is one of my favorites. Also I like Dio, Sabbath, Van Halen, U.F.O. Zeppelin, AC/DC, Y&T Rush, Triumph, Priest, Accept…list goes on. But, being a guitar player, drummer, keyboard and bass player….along as being a recording engineer, I also like Toto, Journey, Heart, John Mellencamp…. Talent!
    So I say all past & present members of KISS be inducted. Separate ceremonies Perhaps? Change up the typical Rock & roll Hall way of doing things. On a side note ,visited KissFAQ.com forum, First time….
    Man KISS fans all in a heated discussion!! Old band new lineup…TT haters. It is an Interesting read, KISS fans against KISS fans!
    Regardless of which version/era/members you prefer, it is still all about their induction.
    I hope the so called “hall of fame” does not relish fans fighting over such trivial B.S.!!
    I get the impression, that they are not real Rock ‘n Roll fans.


  • Andrew from PowerOfMusic on

    Sorry for tuning in so late on this guys. As a Kiss fan since 1978 this is truly a proud moment in Rock N Roll history and I cannot wait till April. Like many of you, I also would love to see Gene, Paul, Ace and Peter put aside everything from egos to money and get up there together and give us fans what we want to see. And sorry Ed, I agree wuith the others, you did play a big roll, because the more you spoke the more people that agreed with you turned their back on the hall, which relates to at least some of those lack of ticket sales. We are all greatful.


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