KISS frontman Paul Stanley was recently a guest on “The Joe Rogan Experience,” where he discussed his former bandmates drummer Peter Criss and guitarist Ace Frehley implying that they carried “a lot of resentment” over the fact that some of the other members of the band were more “focused” and “driven” to succeed than they were, which ultimately led them to sabotage their careers.
“It’s very difficult to move forward when two of the people are, at times, like flat tires,” Stanley explained [as transcribed by Blabbermouth]. “It becomes more of a problem when their reason for being is to foil and to throw off track what you’re trying to do. So, at some point, it really became more about trying to disrupt what we were trying to do with no regard to whether or not what they wanted to do was right or wrong; they just wanted, ‘Let’s screw Gene [Simmons] and Paul. So we’ll say no, and they’ll say yes.’ So it really became very, very, very difficult.”
Stanley claimed that he was in favor of splitting the band’s finances evenly in the early years, but that things changed once Ace and Peter started putting less effort into the group, leaving Paul and Gene to take over. This, in turn, caused a rift between the bandmembers, necessitating a change in the group’s lineup.
When asked why he thinks Ace and Peter were seemingly so intent on working against their bandmates, Stanley said, “I think self-sabotaging comes into it, because, I think, that’s been something that’s run through parts of their lives. But I also think that there was a lot of resentment. And, honestly, I don’t believe in resenting people for what they can do that you can’t. if you’re lucky enough to have people around you who can do what you can’t, make them your best friend. Everybody can’t be the best at what they do, but you can benefit from being around those people. So, look, I never wanted or expected anybody in the band to do necessarily the same amount of work that I did, but I expected them to give a hundred percent. I was all for splitting things evenly in the original lineup of the band up until those guys departed the first time, but you have to give your best.”
He continued, “I think [our] focus and drive and determination and seeing the whole picture and wanting this to be as good as it could be, as opposed to falling back on, ‘It’s rock and roll.’ Well, rock and roll is no excuse for mediocrity, and rock and roll is no excuse for not doing your job. If somebody says, ‘Oh, my playing is rock and roll.’ No, that’s just bad. You know, there’s bad and then there’s rock and roll…Look, it’s a long time ago, and it’s kind of like talking about a girlfriend or wife you had a long time ago and trying to disseminate what went wrong. At some point it really doesn’t matter.”
Stanley says that ego clashes and disagreements over songwriting credits contributed to creating an unhealthy environment and he makes no apologies for taking charge of the group.
“I don’t know the mentality that wants to sabotage what ultimately benefits you,” Stanley said. “Look, if you’re in a band that’s doing great and you’re not the primary songwriter and the primary singer, well, you should revel in what you have. You know, the idea of equality… Some have to be more equal than others. Everybody can be in car together, but somebody’s gotta drive. We’re all going in the same direction. But when people reach the point of saying, ‘Well, I want an equal amount of songs.’ Well, do we leave off ‘Strutter’ so we can put your song on, or do we leave off ‘Detroit Rock City’? It doesn’t work like that. I don’t believe that there’s any birthright or that we should expect a quota in anything. We get what we deserve, and somebody has to decide that.”
He continued: “The key to a great band or any great situation is doing what’s best for the situation, not what’s best for you. I don’t have to be right, I just wanna see the right thing happen. So if you’re more tied up in the ego gratification or in the control factor… I honestly don’t mean to control anything, but I do have a point of view, and I guess I’ve earned my place at this juncture. But everybody gets a chance to state their views, and hopefully they are always with the best intentions, and I think that’s the way the band works now. We have a drummer [Eric Singer] who doesn’t like to take a solo, and this guy could play a better solo with one hand than most drummers could play with every limb of their body. So it’s all for one and one for all.”
In other KISS news, The Pulse Of Radio reports that “Love Gun: Deluxe Edition” will be made available on October 27th. The two-disc CD features the original 1977 album, along with a bonus disc featuring assorted demos and live tracks.
Vintage Vinyl describes the release as “the first disc includes a remastered version of the original album while disc two has demos, three live performances from a 1977 Lakeland, Florida concert and an interview with Gene Simmons. A rarity for any expanded edition of an album, the deluxe edition includes a glimpse into Paul Stanley’s creative process on Love Gun (Teaching Demo) with Stanley talking through the various chords of the song.”
Love Gun: Deluxe Edition track list:
Disc 1 (Original Album):
I Stole Your Love
Christine Sixteen
Got Love For Sale
Shock Me
Tomorrow And Tonight
Love Gun
Hooligan
Almost Human
Plaster Caster
Then She Kissed Me
Disc 2 (Demos, Interviews & Live)
Much Too Soon (Demo)
Plaster Caster (Demo)
Reputation (Demo)
Love Gun (Teaching Demo)
Love Gun (Demo)
Gene Simmons Interview (1977)
Tomorrow And Tonight (Demo)
I Know Who You Are (Demo)
Love Gun (Live 1977)
Christine Sixteen (Live 1977)
Shock Me (Live 1977)
148 Responses
I resent Windows Access and Excel.
There – I said it.
Somebody please tell Paul this happened over 40 years ago and it is time too save his storys for the nursing home he will live in soon with Ace and Peter residing in the rubber rooms and Gene alone in the corner!
Somebody needs to tell the interviewers to stop asking about Ace and Peter because people can’t handle the answers.
Let’s face it, and like I gave been saying, unfortuantly for Gene & Paul …. and the few Ace/Peter haters…. It has clearly become obvious that Ace & Peter are still relevant today as they were back when they were in the band. Paul & Gene have desperately tried for decades ( and still do today) to destroy Ace & Peter as members (let alone important members) of “KISS”. If they would have succeeded these topics would be silenced decades ago. It now has become a major agenda for Paul & Gene to continue this relentless attack on their former bandmates. And it is more Paul than Gene. Paul’s book was nothing more than a lie when he discussed certain situations within the band. It got to the point of feeling embarrassed for Paul. Christ Gene’s book was more credible than Paul’s and Gene bs’d big time. But what hasn’t been brought up … Well it has but KISS completely shuts this door … Is the thousands of thousands of tickets that were sold (prices slashed big time) during their summer tour with Def Leppard. Hm, Joe Elliot & Co. Weren’t to pleased in the 3rd week of July and then throughout the tour……waiting for this comment….’ Oh and how do you know Joe’….uh yeah, FACT!!!!
imho, someone is impersonating joe in the cuse. witness the lack of a closing and signature in the post.
Well said Milk!!
haha that’s great!!
nobody puts gene alone….in a corner!
Maybe that will be a nice new setup for a final tour ….?!
In regards to the Ace & Peter crap again, who the f cares anymore? It’s the same old song and dance. The original kiss created something incredible and special that has not been matched by any lineup of Kiss since (excluding the reunion of course) including the current lineup. Thanks to Joe In The Cuse, I watched most of this interview on YouTube. Once they got past the Ace and Peter crap it was a decent interview. Joe asked some tough questions and debated Paul on a few things (but still didn’t ask the question every media person is afraid to ask regarding the deteriorating voice of Paul & how he can justify the things he says about Ace and Peter not being up to par to perform in Kiss). Paul gave some interesting perspectives on “file sharing” (which I agreed with him about), life, happiness, fame & fortune. I was pleasantly surprised that it was a solid interview overall excluding the bashing.
Dana where the heck you get these stock photos Paul looks like stone wax figure with a expression of smugness
Charlie-LOL!!!
I grabbed it off Google images a couple of years ago and I keep using it because people seem to like it 🙂
D 🙂
That is the exact expression my father had when I told him I had kiss tickets back in 1977
( I was 13 at the time) just Before he said NO
There’s an even better photo of Paul stanley bald without his wig that you should post on here! People would love it more! Just google Paul Stanley photos…
and then there’s maude! I mean paul.
When I see it, I think of the very effiminate impression of Paul by Craig Gass. I actually had great fun reading these tired redundant Paul comments to my brother in the Gass style.
Starchild looks like Cher in this pic! 🙂
Jackie Stallone
right on!
Totally agree.