As I have said consistently since the announcement that Kiss will be going into the HOF, now is when much of the discussion and negotiation on what goes down starts to happen. You have what Ace and Peter want, what Gene & Paul want, and what the HOF itself wants to happen, and somewhere it all needs to be worked out. With the holidays behind us expect info to come out as we get closer to the date and the various parties talk. There is already some very differing information coming out now as a matter of fact. If you listen to my interview with Ace (now on my home page for all to hear), it is clear he would like the original band to be featured since they are the members actually being inducted. Speaking of that, there has been much debate since the announcement on even this topic. The HOF makes that call and they decided the founding members only. That’s what I was told by several people who actually have votes. That could also be an issue on how this goes down and something being discussed internally. My view on it personally is if it isn’t just the original band, then it should be ALL the people that have been a part of it. But everyone has consistently told me, including voters, it is only the original four actually being inducted. That does not mean however that others from the bands history won’t be there and won’t even potentially be involved as was the case with Heart and others. Ace also stated in the interview with me the HOF wanted the band in makeup which he was open to. Both Peter and Ace said they spoke with Gene and Paul and vibes were good before the holidays. Ace expressed concern in my interview about how the current band would be represented vs him and Peter who are actually being honored. Ace’s concern is also likely fueled by a VH1 Rock Honors event in 2006 where he was in the strange position of not being allowed to play with Kiss, while Tommy did dressed as him. Ace played with the tribute band that night to Kiss.
Last night Paul Stanley’s twitter account showed a glimpse into the very different views about what will and won’t go down and the issues that still need to be worked through. You can check the feed for yourself @paulstanleylive When asked last night if the original band would play together at the HOF his response is “seems unlikely”. When asked if he thinks working with Ace & Peter would be better now that both are sober he responded “No”. When asked if he would wear makeup with Ace & Peter he responded “No way”.
This is clearly a shift in what fans thought and were hoping for and what Ace and Peter mentioned. It also points to the various egos, posturing and control issues that could turn something the fans have wanted for 15 years into a train wreck! Paul’s answers do not surprise me at all. For Gene and Paul this puts them in a tough spot having to reconnect with members they’d prefer not to deal with no doubt, and who they have spent the last 10 years trying to recreate in the current band. Quite frankly coming out with the original band once again in makeup opens up a huge can of worms with fans that they have been trying to keep a lid on for a decade. It does not work with what they are currently trying to sell so well. And make no mistake, like it or not, they know seeing the original four in makeup again would be HUGE for fans and put a dent in what they have been selling to fans; that it doesn’t matter so much who’s behind the makeup. So you can already see how some of this is playing out. Gene & Paul on one side trying to protect the current Kiss and not go down reunion road again, and Ace & Peter wanting to be sure their night being inducted pays tribute to them, and not other versions of the band not being inducted. Nobody wearing makeup would take away some of the confusion as to who is who, but as per Ace the HOF really wanted the band in costume.
I understand Gene & Paul wanting to protect their current business model. Trust me, they know and have seen first hand the avalanche a reunion, even for a few hours, with Ace & Peter will cause (MTV Unplugged). It would be nice to think for one night the fans could celebrate the original bands induction with all of them working together for a few hours. Then bring up everyone from KISStory at the end for a jam or something. But I suspect this has many twists and turns still to come and Paul’s tweets last night give just a little peak into how this could unfortunately get very messy. If you are planning on buying tickets to this to see a Kiss reunion even for a couple songs as many have told me, I would seriously hold off. Looks like much still to be decided and as per Paul’s verified Twitter account it doesn’t sound promising at the moment. Listen to the interview with Ace I did a couple weeks ago, then read Paul’s tweets last night. This isn’t me stirring the pot or with any inside information. Just doesn’t take a genius to see there are some very different opinions as to how this should go down already. We shall see…I’m sure much more as we go.
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Paul is good at pretending, like when he pretends to like women.
I’ve said it already. I’ll say it again. I will continue to say it. Gene and Paul have turned into complete assholes as they have aged and without a doubt, one or the both of them, will find a way to screw this entire thing up for everyone. That is why I hope if Ace and Peter see that is going to happen, I hope they go in there with guns blazing, not staying above the fray, and put those two jackasses right in their place in front of the RRHOF crowd, and then the world when it airs a month or so later.
Eddie has it pretty much nailed it here, although I see some wiggle room in the way Paul said “seems unlikely”, in contrast to a flat no as to the Original 4 performing, particularly since he flatly ruled out a full-on reunion tour. Gene and Paul, as Ed said, are trying to protect the integrity of the “current line up”, as we see with 3 performances they are doing with Tommy and Eric, including the Hell & Heaven Fest in Mexico, and the NHL Stadium Series gig at Dodger Stadium. They also have the as-yet-TBA “Free” KISS gig for their LA KISS Arena Football Season Ticket Holders. And, frankly, because they have so much invested in this version of KISS, they will hold out until the last minute, unless we, the KISS Army, demand it. I really want the OG 4 back for one last go-round, as a proper tribute to the the guys who made it all happen, and who, coincidentally, re-energized the band/brand during the 1996-2001 Reunion. Ace & Peter coming back made everything done since, in terms of “branding”, possible. All of the piles of cash G&P have stacked since are directly because A&P came back and they all put the make up back on. There would not be “Hello KISSy” without the iconic make up of all 4 guys. I hope, in the end, Gene and Paul will see the light, be gracious, and pay respect to the 2 guys who helped them realize their dreams. Oh, and somebody better acknowledge Sean Delaney, fer chrissake!
Sean and Bill Aucoin indeed! I know Peter already told me he would.
I know that Aucoin will get some love, which Peter already did on his website, but Sean Delaney also deserves a lot of credit….and, as the KISS book about the early years itself notes, the original KISS Road Crew deserves a lot of credit too. As does Neil Bogart.
Paul’s Facebook post from Dec 19,
” Gotta laugh. Some people want to seem important by talking like they know what we’ll be doing at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. THEY KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!” Eddie, is he referring to you? He probably heard Ace on your show talking about playing in makeup and now he’s pissed. Then he made another post telling everyone to remember to be kind and charitable to others. How about being kind and charitable to the fans who have supported Kiss for 40 years by playing a few songs in Brooklyn with the original 4?
No clue who he is talking about since he doesn’t communicate with me, but if he reached that conclusion with me its because he listens and reads third party information instead of communicating. Been the problem all along. Anything I have ever said I have been clear is MY opinion. Anything I say outside of that is because I was told it directly by reliable sources. And as usual things can also change.
Perhaps the hall should induct them by character and not by name. Gene and Paul might love that because that’s how they’ve been selling the band the last few years. They can say it doesn’t matter who created the band, here’s some dudes dressed the same.