The annual nominees for the R&R Hall Of Fame have been released today. And with that usually it’s a day I go crazy and rant and rave about who is and isn’t on the ballot as I have since the thing opened. But I have thought about it and decided I’m done doing that. Why? Not because it has been fixed at all, quite the opposite actually. It is SO damaged and SO clueless and SO disrespectful of real rock bands that it has actually become irrelevant and not worth my time or aggravation. After years of screaming about Rush, Kiss and Alice Cooper, all who finally did go in, I noticed something else, it was forgotten about 24 hours later. I mean it had zero impact on any artists careers. It did nothing to spike sales of albums or tickets. Many don’t even see it because it is expensive to go to and the TV broadcast is now on a premium pay channel. Having attended the induction last year as a guest of Ace & Peter’s it was a really nice moment of course, and of course there are tons of worthy bands in the Hall. But looking at the nominees this year as far as who is on it and who is not even in the conversation after being snubbed for over a decade I realized something. Why get upset? This is NEVER going to change! It is a private club of the music industry snobs and never was the voice of the fans. They have run this thing into total irrelevance in my opinion because they are so hung up on what they think is cool vs what millions of music fans buy and care about. It just doesn’t matter at all in the big picture because the history of who has and hasn’t gone in (and how long some waited to finally get in) just taints it. If you are a real rock music fan and take a step back you just have to laugh at all the obvious bias going on. I get the sense the same people that made fun of me for liking Kiss in high school have all moved to the Hall nomination group. It’s that type of elitist music snob vibe. It always has been but I thought when Rush, Kiss, Alice, etc finally got in the tide would turn and progress would be made. But nothing has changed. Deep Purple, Bon Jovi, Dio, Motorhead, Motley, Def Leppard, Cheap Trick, Journey, Styx, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and COUNTLESS other huge selling and influential acts are still snubbed in the rush to get Green Day, or Sting solo in. I have decided by ranting about it I am giving this thing way too much credit and validity. I kind of thought that all along but actually thought some progress was finally being made. But it is as disrespectful as ever for real rock music and to the millions of fans these bands have. So it doesn’t move the needle, half the artists don’t want to go, most fans can’t go or even see the broadcast, and fans have very little to do with it and THEY make the bands careers! It’s irrelevant to me now and a total time waster. Yes I get it still means something to some artists to go in, and I would never belittle that moment for anyone. But it really has become irrelevant in so many ways to REAL fans of REAL rock bands that sold MILLIONS of albums and INFLUENCED generations that it isn’t worth my time and effort. And I know many will say “somebody needs to start their own Hall”. Heard that a million times, tried and still try to find an interested partner with the resources. Maybe one day. But until then I, or any other real rock fan, shouldn’t acknowledge this joke of a private club. I did for so long because I thought it would help change the tide, but I see that is just not going to ever happen and it’s time to move on. Especially when you consider in the big picture the way it’s done it means very little in the end.
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I agree with what you have said Eddie. I have almost the exact same taste in music as you do. The only thing I would like to add is maybe the new Ace album got a little kick from all the Hall of Fame drama. He can now always say he has the only solo album in the top 10 from any member of Kiss. Hope to see some of you in Sugar Loaf Nov 14 for the Ace Frehley show!
“I get the sense the same people that made fun of me for liking Kiss in high school have all moved to the Hall nomination group.”
I’m just curious, what was considered “cool” to listen to then? Was KISS ‘uncool’ because they had fallen out of favor at the time (early 80s I presume) or was it that hard rock in general was considered uncool? Were the kids that made fun of you the music snobs who though Kiss was lowbrow music, or those that just follow the current popular trend and made fun of you for being behind the times? The former I could see being like the R&RHOF voters but the latter is just kids being kids. I don’t know what the high school social scene was like in the early 80s, so I’m curious as to how that correlates with the R&RHOF’s music taste.
Eddie, you said it perfectly. My only real disappointment was that KISS did not turn down the induction. I understand why they did not, but hey, I can dream lol. The R&R HOF is a joke, and all real fans know it is. How it is even possible that some bands like Deep Purple, and UFO are not in the HOF just proves it is a sham. It’s a good thing we have a “voice” like yours to keep people straight Eddie!!
Actually, there is also two ways of dealing with the “fame” being inducted might bring – e.g. on the one hand Paul Stanley said many critical things bout the RRHOF, which I can understand, and then he uses the induction on the latest tour to make the audience yell yeah at him after shouting “You’re looking at a band that’s in the hall of fame …”, what hypocrisy is that. That actually continues the hypocrisy of the event as Eddie described it. Apart from that, who is cool and who is influential is a question answered by the fans, and the fans only. The RRHOF might well be an artifact of a dying industry trying to keep being relevant, thus further losing contact with what people really want or believe in or woud spend their money on. Alex Lifeson did the right thing in his acceptance “speech” by totally ridiculing the whole event. Like a court jester telling the truth that no one can object to. Intelligent as ever from Rush.
Ed,
I think just by complaining about it you are giving them too much free press, so stop! I agree with you. I was glad to see Rush inducted, but I think their documentary “Beyond the Lighted Stage” and your continued support did more for their career than the Rock Hall ever will.
The whole idea of a “hall of fame” for music is ridiculous because you can’t measure artistic impact with numbers and stats.
On a side note, I’m loving your podcasts so keep them coming!
So … ok … let’s just put the whole list of nominees in then, right?
I see some locks, and some “sures”. But it’s just stooooopid now. Who cares. Put ’em all in