As I have said consistently since the announcement that Kiss will be going into the HOF, now is when much of the discussion and negotiation on what goes down starts to happen. You have what Ace and Peter want, what Gene & Paul want, and what the HOF itself wants to happen, and somewhere it all needs to be worked out. With the holidays behind us expect info to come out as we get closer to the date and the various parties talk. There is already some very differing information coming out now as a matter of fact. If you listen to my interview with Ace (now on my home page for all to hear), it is clear he would like the original band to be featured since they are the members actually being inducted. Speaking of that, there has been much debate since the announcement on even this topic. The HOF makes that call and they decided the founding members only. That’s what I was told by several people who actually have votes. That could also be an issue on how this goes down and something being discussed internally. My view on it personally is if it isn’t just the original band, then it should be ALL the people that have been a part of it. But everyone has consistently told me, including voters, it is only the original four actually being inducted. That does not mean however that others from the bands history won’t be there and won’t even potentially be involved as was the case with Heart and others. Ace also stated in the interview with me the HOF wanted the band in makeup which he was open to. Both Peter and Ace said they spoke with Gene and Paul and vibes were good before the holidays. Ace expressed concern in my interview about how the current band would be represented vs him and Peter who are actually being honored. Ace’s concern is also likely fueled by a VH1 Rock Honors event in 2006 where he was in the strange position of not being allowed to play with Kiss, while Tommy did dressed as him. Ace played with the tribute band that night to Kiss.
Last night Paul Stanley’s twitter account showed a glimpse into the very different views about what will and won’t go down and the issues that still need to be worked through. You can check the feed for yourself @paulstanleylive When asked last night if the original band would play together at the HOF his response is “seems unlikely”. When asked if he thinks working with Ace & Peter would be better now that both are sober he responded “No”. When asked if he would wear makeup with Ace & Peter he responded “No way”.
This is clearly a shift in what fans thought and were hoping for and what Ace and Peter mentioned. It also points to the various egos, posturing and control issues that could turn something the fans have wanted for 15 years into a train wreck! Paul’s answers do not surprise me at all. For Gene and Paul this puts them in a tough spot having to reconnect with members they’d prefer not to deal with no doubt, and who they have spent the last 10 years trying to recreate in the current band. Quite frankly coming out with the original band once again in makeup opens up a huge can of worms with fans that they have been trying to keep a lid on for a decade. It does not work with what they are currently trying to sell so well. And make no mistake, like it or not, they know seeing the original four in makeup again would be HUGE for fans and put a dent in what they have been selling to fans; that it doesn’t matter so much who’s behind the makeup. So you can already see how some of this is playing out. Gene & Paul on one side trying to protect the current Kiss and not go down reunion road again, and Ace & Peter wanting to be sure their night being inducted pays tribute to them, and not other versions of the band not being inducted. Nobody wearing makeup would take away some of the confusion as to who is who, but as per Ace the HOF really wanted the band in costume.
I understand Gene & Paul wanting to protect their current business model. Trust me, they know and have seen first hand the avalanche a reunion, even for a few hours, with Ace & Peter will cause (MTV Unplugged). It would be nice to think for one night the fans could celebrate the original bands induction with all of them working together for a few hours. Then bring up everyone from KISStory at the end for a jam or something. But I suspect this has many twists and turns still to come and Paul’s tweets last night give just a little peak into how this could unfortunately get very messy. If you are planning on buying tickets to this to see a Kiss reunion even for a couple songs as many have told me, I would seriously hold off. Looks like much still to be decided and as per Paul’s verified Twitter account it doesn’t sound promising at the moment. Listen to the interview with Ace I did a couple weeks ago, then read Paul’s tweets last night. This isn’t me stirring the pot or with any inside information. Just doesn’t take a genius to see there are some very different opinions as to how this should go down already. We shall see…I’m sure much more as we go.
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PAUL,ACE,GENE,PETER YOU GUYS FIGHT AND ARGUE LIKE LITTLE FRICKEN KIDS GROW UP AND ACT YOUR AGE FOR ONCE,BURY THE HATCHET FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
THE EGO THING HAPPENS TO ALOT OF BANDS,THEY NEED TO GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!
I think the Hall allowing Robert Trujillo to be inducted with Metallica sets a precedent that would allow KISS to have any members besides the original four inducted. It would be up to Gene and Paul. I think they will induct all members except for Mark St John and Vinnie Vincent. Mark was only on album and they just don’t like Vinnie.
Question
Who do you think hates who more
Paul hating Peter and Ace or
Eddie hating Michael & Sammy
Two 60+ years old douches .. Grow Up !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Imo
These are the two most likely scenarios that Paul will decide on and that the Hall will agree to :
1) Paul plays in full makeup with Ace and Peter thinking it isnt gonna effect current makeup Kiss because the people watching the ceromony that will go to a Kiss concert nowadays may not even know who Ace & Peter are and to them it dosent matter. They just see four makeup guys on stage thus not risking tarnishing his current fake makeup brand ………..
So many in attendence these days at Kiss concerts are just ” fair weather concert goers” that go to see Kiss for the first time just to see what all the hype is about and the attitude is ” hey we have to see Kiss live once ” …. Just like a Stones concert for alot of people. I’ve run into so many people like this over the last 12 years and they usually go see them at our state fair. They dont know any members names except Gene.
I truly believe that alot of fans like myself , left in 2001. And Kiss has been promoting themselves to the fair weather fans with Lane Bryant fashion shows, dr. pepper commercials, grand marshals at racing events , reality shows, ever since, knowing that alot of their once loyal army has left ……
2) Paul agree’s to play only with no makeup knowing that alot of future kiss concert attendee’s dont watch the rrhof and if they did they dont know what catman and spaceman look like without makeup when they see Ace and Peter thus not risking tarnishing the current Kiss brand .
***Thayer and Singer will be no where in site of the original 4
What I really hope for is Peter ( Ace wont) will say something about the current makeup Kiss . Something like ” Ace and I are flattered that Paul and Gene are trying to honor what a great band we were by recreating the 70’s with their band now ”
That would be fucking awesome !!
What a subtle jab . And why not . Gene and Paul are never gonna play or maybe not even talk to them again anyway . Thats a fact.
In fact, I’m sure they will continue to bash them for years to come anyway .
I know Ace and Peter want to be classy and they can but please, please just do a subtle jab or two in your speech . This is their only chance. When everyone is watching . Paul and Gene have been trashing them for years