As I have said consistently since the announcement that Kiss will be going into the HOF, now is when much of the discussion and negotiation on what goes down starts to happen. You have what Ace and Peter want, what Gene & Paul want, and what the HOF itself wants to happen, and somewhere it all needs to be worked out. With the holidays behind us expect info to come out as we get closer to the date and the various parties talk. There is already some very differing information coming out now as a matter of fact. If you listen to my interview with Ace (now on my home page for all to hear), it is clear he would like the original band to be featured since they are the members actually being inducted. Speaking of that, there has been much debate since the announcement on even this topic. The HOF makes that call and they decided the founding members only. That’s what I was told by several people who actually have votes. That could also be an issue on how this goes down and something being discussed internally. My view on it personally is if it isn’t just the original band, then it should be ALL the people that have been a part of it. But everyone has consistently told me, including voters, it is only the original four actually being inducted. That does not mean however that others from the bands history won’t be there and won’t even potentially be involved as was the case with Heart and others. Ace also stated in the interview with me the HOF wanted the band in makeup which he was open to. Both Peter and Ace said they spoke with Gene and Paul and vibes were good before the holidays. Ace expressed concern in my interview about how the current band would be represented vs him and Peter who are actually being honored. Ace’s concern is also likely fueled by a VH1 Rock Honors event in 2006 where he was in the strange position of not being allowed to play with Kiss, while Tommy did dressed as him. Ace played with the tribute band that night to Kiss.
Last night Paul Stanley’s twitter account showed a glimpse into the very different views about what will and won’t go down and the issues that still need to be worked through. You can check the feed for yourself @paulstanleylive When asked last night if the original band would play together at the HOF his response is “seems unlikely”. When asked if he thinks working with Ace & Peter would be better now that both are sober he responded “No”. When asked if he would wear makeup with Ace & Peter he responded “No way”.
This is clearly a shift in what fans thought and were hoping for and what Ace and Peter mentioned. It also points to the various egos, posturing and control issues that could turn something the fans have wanted for 15 years into a train wreck! Paul’s answers do not surprise me at all. For Gene and Paul this puts them in a tough spot having to reconnect with members they’d prefer not to deal with no doubt, and who they have spent the last 10 years trying to recreate in the current band. Quite frankly coming out with the original band once again in makeup opens up a huge can of worms with fans that they have been trying to keep a lid on for a decade. It does not work with what they are currently trying to sell so well. And make no mistake, like it or not, they know seeing the original four in makeup again would be HUGE for fans and put a dent in what they have been selling to fans; that it doesn’t matter so much who’s behind the makeup. So you can already see how some of this is playing out. Gene & Paul on one side trying to protect the current Kiss and not go down reunion road again, and Ace & Peter wanting to be sure their night being inducted pays tribute to them, and not other versions of the band not being inducted. Nobody wearing makeup would take away some of the confusion as to who is who, but as per Ace the HOF really wanted the band in costume.
I understand Gene & Paul wanting to protect their current business model. Trust me, they know and have seen first hand the avalanche a reunion, even for a few hours, with Ace & Peter will cause (MTV Unplugged). It would be nice to think for one night the fans could celebrate the original bands induction with all of them working together for a few hours. Then bring up everyone from KISStory at the end for a jam or something. But I suspect this has many twists and turns still to come and Paul’s tweets last night give just a little peak into how this could unfortunately get very messy. If you are planning on buying tickets to this to see a Kiss reunion even for a couple songs as many have told me, I would seriously hold off. Looks like much still to be decided and as per Paul’s verified Twitter account it doesn’t sound promising at the moment. Listen to the interview with Ace I did a couple weeks ago, then read Paul’s tweets last night. This isn’t me stirring the pot or with any inside information. Just doesn’t take a genius to see there are some very different opinions as to how this should go down already. We shall see…I’m sure much more as we go.
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I have been supporting the band through all personnel changes as well as all the good and bad times in their 40 years. I have always had special love for the original four that started it all. but I do understand the problems that they have had and different personalities that made it difficult if not impossible to keep the original band together. That being said I think it will be a true FAN disappointment and let down if the original band that is getting inducted do not except the the award and play together. The Barclay center will be filled with die hard kiss fans that are buying tickets to see the original band. The deafening roar of the the crowd will truly show the RNRHOF the mistake they made not inducting them 15 years ago and the rest of the people watching who the greatest band in the world is. GENE, PAUL, PETER AND ACE PLEASE PUT YOUR DIFFERENCES ASIDE FOR JUST ONE NIGHT,
DO IT FOR THE FANS…
Original 4 with makeup for the RARHOF induction ceremony! Show us fans again how that original KISS magic was done! You guys might end up having a little fun doing that! Plus it will pack the house & the media will be all abuzz! And… it would be an awesome gift to the fans! The excitement would be thick & smiles abound!
Ive gotta tell ya…as much as I love the original group as I started listening the day they put out the first album sans my brother that they were a much better band without ace and peter musically…I wish all past and present members will be included in the induction. Seriously though…Paul and Gene kept Kiss going throughout the years and I value there stance more than I do Ace and Peter…In my opinion Ace and Peter even though they came up with the original makeup and were the original band I think they made up the least integral part of Kiss!
The least integral? They were very essential to the group. Though they’re no longer with the group, without them KISS might of never been.
The original four were with the band until 1980, then Peter left, Ace left in ’82- then Peter rejoined for the
1996- 2001 tours then again in 2002 to 2004 tour. Ace went back for 1996 to 2002.
Each of these guys logged as many years as the other fill ins just about.
When I was 15 year old, back in high school 1977, I had the entire kiss catalog. When Peter and Ace left, I too left. I did go see them unmasked with Kulick and Carr. Queensryche smoked them on stage, that was 1984. 1996 all 4 put the makeup back on, and I saw them in 96, 97, and 99 Halloween at Dodger stadium. And then 1/2 left again, and so did I.
I WILL pay to see the original 4 again in concert if they all come back. One can only hope!
This is sad. For something that the original four founding members created over 40years ago .paul n gene both wanna behave the way they are is just down right wrong and disrespectful to first ace n peter and then the fans who wants this to happen. and for what to protect their own interest in what their tryin to sell today as the current kiss lineup. You know as a fan of completely supporting them from original lineup to after the farewell tour all eras in between I see now why I don’t like what gene n paul once again tried to sell upon to me the current lineup today which I felt was wrong as respect to ace and peter and it is clear to me now their more worried about this current lineup of kiss then what the hof and the koriginal kiss army wants in first place. I lost all respect for paul n gene and can’t wait till their retired