Andy Greene of Rolling Stone spoke with KISS bassist and vocalist Gene Simmons about the band being inducted into RNRHOF, whether or not he will play with Ace and Peter and why he may or may not dislike Eddie Trunk/ Excerpts from the interview appear below.
RS: Tell me your first reaction to the big news.
GS: Pride. For me, it’s another tug of the shirt sleeve to remind me that the American dream is alive and well. I’m living proof of it. I came here as an immigrant, a legal one — that’s a distinction — and getting the Hollywood Walk of Fame and getting the keys to the cities of God knows how many cities and the wax museums and the thousands of licensed products we have and on and on. . .Still, no matter how much much noise we make about how only the fans matter, and it’s true they are the ones that put us here and without them we are nothing, there is something in the back of our collective consciousnesses that makes us want to be recognized by our peers.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame started out as a wonderful idea and ideal, and it’s a pride and privilege. Now, we’ve had ten different lineups. It’s important to list that the honor is not just ours. It’s Gene, Paul, Ace, Peter, Eric Carr, Mark St. John, Bruce Kulick, Eric Singer, Vinnie Vincent, Tommy Thayer. . .There’s been a lot of guys, and we continue to tour and fill up stadiums and it is a testament to the idea of Kiss.
A long time ago, four knuckleheads off the streets of New York decided to put together the band they never saw onstage. We were ballsy enough to throw down our own gauntlet. “You wanted the best? You got the best! The hottest band in the world. Kiss.” You’re God damn right.
RS: Did you start to think you’d never be inducted?
GS: Yeah. I think its political. As soon as the fans had their say, I’m told, we slaughtered everybody else. I think it’s a crime that Deep Purple is not in and Patti Smith is. What the fuck? There are disco artists and all kind of credible and important kinds of music that have nothing to do with rock & roll. But, hey, it’s not my thing. I think the best thing they did was to open it up to the fans. There is an American ideal: “By the people, for the people, of the people.” Hey, that’s a good idea.
RS: You’re definitely coming to the ceremony, right?
GS: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We need to stand up there proudly for the fans.
RS: It’s nice to do it in Brooklyn since you guys started in New York.
GS: Yeah. It’s the coolest of the cool.
RS: People are very curious about what lineup of the band is going to play that night.
GS: Well, Kiss is Tommy Thayer, Eric Singer, Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons. It’s like, if you introduced me to your wife and I go, “Wait, where are all the other wives?” It’s like, “Yeah, I was married to them and now I’m here.” You can argue that point and we’ll figure everything out as time goes on. This one is for the fans. If the fans didn’t care, we wouldn’t be here. If it meant nothing to them, we wouldn’t be here.
RS: Bands often play with old members at the Hall of Fame. Are you open to the idea of playing with Peter Criss and Ace Frehley that night?
GS: Sure, why not?
RS: I’ve heard you say in the past you never wanted to play with them again.
GS: That was for a tour. But they were equally important in the formation of the band. When you have kids with your first wife, you give kudos. The fact you got remarried doesn’t delete or minimize the important. Hey, “You have gave birth to this thing, Kiss, with Ace, Peter, Paul and Gene.”
RS: But there’s been some very public feuding and bad blood in the past few years.
GS: There’s never been bad blood. I love them as people. I just hate drugs and alcohol. I don’t care if you are Mötley [Crüe] or Springsteen. If you don’t have the balls to get on the stage straight, it’s an insult to the fans and the band members
RS: They say they are clean now though.
GS: I have no comment.
RS: People are curious to know why you don’t get on [with radio personality and] That Metal Show [host] with Eddie Trunk.
GS: Respectfully, I’m not very interested.
RS: Why?
GS: [Chuckles] Before there was metal, there was KISS. We don’t really consider ourselves metal. It’s just rock and roll and all the hand gestures that everybody does on that show, I invented that. Oh, and let me add the word “bitch.”
RS: So, it’s nothing personal against Eddie Trunk or anything?
GS: Oh, I don’t care. I wish everybody well. Everyone should have a happy life and succeed and stuff. Just because we don’t want to do a show doesn’t mean anything. I’m not really interested in Jon Stewart’s show either. That doesn’t mean we don’t wish him well. It’s just not my cup of tea. I don’t want to be a pinata while he’s going to throw jokes. But if he wants to play mono a mono, you gotta take it as well as give it.
RS: If they tell you they just want the original four guys to play, will you be cool with that?
GS: As long as they are willing to only bring their first girlfriend and their first wife. . .There’s no rules. I really haven’t thought about it.
RS: To just totally clarify once again, you’re willing to play with Ace and Peter that night?
GS: Oh, sure.
RS: That could be the last time ever then. When else could that happen?
GS: In January we are celebrating our 40th anniversary, and boy do I look good! And every time I say, “I’m never going to do this, I’m never going to do that. . .” For God’s sake, Ace and Peter were in the band three separate times. And they were let go three separate times. Every time it was about the same thing. How many times are you going to hear, “No, I’m healthy now. I’m fine.” It’s like the old, “I promise I’ll pull out.”
The only consideration has always been the military ideal: sound mind, sound body, respect for the fans. They are our bosses. We buckle our knees to the people who make our lives possible, and rightfully so. You and me and everyone else, we just work here. Everyone else that disrespects that maybe shouldn’t have the opportunities it provides. The stage is holy ground. It is electric church. Not everyone belongs there.
RS: So you think it’s possible there might be a 40th anniversary tour that involves Ace and Peter?
GS: I don’t want to do that. Nah. I’ve been through it before. Too many scars and too much, “I promise, I promise, I promise.” It’s like the Boy Who Cried Wolf. How many times can you cry the same thing? After a while, sorry Charley.
RS: They both wrote books and didn’t say very nice things about you. Did that bother you?
GS: I stand by everything they said! [Big laugh]. I’ll tell you a wonderful story. Ace, God bless him. . .You know, when he’s straight he’s a wonderful guy. He took me to the Beverly Hills Hotel and he told me a story. He said, “Look, I just want to show you a chapter I wrote in the book and just check with you and make sure it’s okay.”
I said, “Look, write whatever you want. I’m a happy guy.” He said, “I just want to check the accuracy of it.” I said, “Okay, what is it?” He goes, “Well, 19-seventy whatever it is. There’s a swimming pool and we’re all out there. There are girls and we’re lounging around and I get up on the diving board in my swimsuit and I’ve got champagne in my hand and I’m drunk and I’ve got a scarf on. You then say to me, ‘Ace, get off the diving board. You’re drunk you’re going to drown.’ I then say, ‘Fuck you. Don’t tell me what to do!'”
Then he jumps off the diving board and jumps in. Of course, he starts to drown. He says, “Of course, you dive in because you used to be a lifeguard. You fish me out, pump the water out of me, save my life.” And at breakfast at the Beverly Hills Hotel he says to me, “I want to thank you for saving my life. But how accurate was it?”
I say to him, “It was 95 percent accurate. Yes, there was a diving board. Yes, champagne in hand. Yes, laughing in my face. Yes, drowning in the pool. Yes, I dove in and rescued someone. But it wasn’t you. It was Peter Criss. You were flat out unconscious, surprise, on the side of the pool.
He just shrugged his shoulder. You can catch him in a lie or a figment of his imagination and he’ll just shrug his shoulders and go, “Oh well, what the fuck?” He’s a happy-go-lucky, I’m sorry. . .when we first got together it was magic. We loved those guys, all for one and one for all. Look, not all marriages stay together. What can I tell you? Cain and Abel didn’t get along very well either.
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52 Responses
Gene, I like your music, I respect your business sense, and you are a very smart guy. However….
1. You didn’t invent the “metal sign” hand sign, Ronnie James Dio did and he got it from his grandmother (so technically he didn’t invent it either).
2. Your tone has changed dramatically toward Ace and Peter here since they announced the induction. Just a few months ago, you said they would NEVER be onstage with you at the ceremony. Are you biting the bullet so you can get up there and get some more glory?
3. You could learn something from Ace’s easy-going nature. Not everything is about dividing and conquering (something you have done a lot of with all those chicks, but that’s a different story).
4. Instead of investing all of the money into more KISS crap, why not setup a children’s hospital, or a cancer center, or something else like that? “The Simmons Center for Cancer Prevention” – has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
5. You need to just quit while you are ahead. In fact, you are FAR BEYOND being ahead. Just stop now. Really. No one will criticize you. Just accept the HOF award, STFU, and get off the stage. Spend time with your beautiful wife. We could retire on what you must be making on interest alone.
Frank – I’m going to take you on point by point:
1)Ronnie claims he made that sign with his hands, and Gene claims he made that sign with his hands. So two guys claimed to have invented the metal horns – whats your point? \ii/
2)He’s giving the fans what they want instead of what he wants. Why are you bagging on him?
3)Learn from Ace? Are you kidding me? What can he learn from Ace? How to: a)drive drunk? b)do drugs? c)have someone else come into the studio and do your solos for you and take credit for it?
4)Are you aware that he sponsors more than 13,000 kids in Africa? Are you aware his family set up a women’s shelter in Vancouver? What have your heroes done with their money?
5)He ain’t ever quitting. That’s what got him here.
I get if you want to bang on him – Lord knows he’s a lightning rod. But can you at least be factual or know more about that guy before you spew the crap?
Um … Someone else actually has taken over the bass duties from Gene on several occasions, Jean Beauvoir did it on a couple of songs on Animalize … just saying 🙂
Gene also didn’t play the bass on Detroit Rock City and has admitted or given credit any time that has happend……Ace?
Who are Gene and Paul kidding anyway? If a promoter out there offered them a big enough payday for another tour with Ace and Peter you know they will do it for the money, case closed.
all these rock stars that are past their prime are probably tired of questions about what used to be. nobody wants to talk about old girlfriends when they are banging someone new.
Thank God one last time it can happen again. One last time.
Give me a minute…..I am still laughing at the “Thayer will be in charge of catering for the band” line…too funny. As yet another fan who grew up worshiping KISS…Hell, I had a brass KISS belt buckle,,,,had KISS posters…ran down to pick up a copy of of any magaizine that might finally show KISS without makeup…etc. I can only hope and pray that Gene will read all of these posts, shut the hell up and show up with Peter and Ace and perform at the ceremony. They could kick off with New York Groove….great idea!! BUT……before this, at the podium, Gene should apologize for being a douche to the Peter and Ace. I want tears. Just listen to the KISS Army Gene. I respect all that you have done, I respect your business acumen, I have great concert memories…..but, show some class and do what’s right.
Should he show the same class that Ace used to show when he would show up to shows/interviews absolutely hammered? Or wearing a nazi uniform and knock on Gene’s hotel room door in it? Ace and Peter were so full of fucking class back in the day. Wake up and realize it takes 4 to tango in this relationship.