In a new interview with the Inside Of You With Michael Rosenbaum podcast, KISS bassist/vocalist Gene Simmons was asked if he had any “good conversations” with late KISS guitarist Ace Frehley before Ace passed away last October at the age of 74.
Simmons responded (as transcribed by blabbermouth.net), “It’s been up and down for 50 years with Ace. And the fans often would hate me for telling the truth. When the kids are at home and there’s mom and dad and all of a sudden dad gets thrown out of the house, the kids don’t understand — they love mom and dad — why mom kicked dad out of the house. And she tries to explain to them: ‘He was a drunk, he was a loser, he was late, didn’t show up on time, didn’t do what he was supposed to do, was barely around the kids, but he’s your father.’ And the fans are like kids. They don’t know.”
He continued, “If you would’ve met Ace at the beginning [of KISS] — God bless him — you would’ve fallen in love with the idea, who he is and all that. And then [as Niccolò] Machiavelli [said], [when you] have power, [you must sometimes] abuse it. It affects all of us in different ways. Me too. But Ace turned to beverages and chemicals. Early on, he wouldn’t show up… I mean, he wouldn’t show up to do his guitar parts on even Destroyer early on. And the fans don’t like to hear this because he’s so talented and everybody, all the new guitar players, were influenced by him and all that. Yeah, but when you’re together in a band, you’re together more time than your family members or your wife or kids. So he’d be late and all this stuff. And Peter [Criss, original KISS drummer], we love him, and God bless, he’s still around, but really from the early days, as soon as the money and the fame came in, it was like the dark cloud came over. And they were both in and out of the band three separate times. And the fans just couldn’t understand it.
Offering an example of how Frehley was unreliable, Simmons said, “We were doing the Eurovision contest, and we were the headliners. People in America don’t know what that is, but 600 million people at that time, now a billion people, tune in to the Eurovision where all the countries in the world basically send their representatives and it’s music based. It’s one of the few times such a large audience in the early days would tune in. Ace didn’t show up. We had to do it as a trio. It just went on and on and on… And had we not been as popular, we would’ve asked Ace to leave. But strangely, the first time Ace left, he turned to us, and it’s sad, and said — this is a quote; he said it to me two times, twice — ‘I’m leaving the band. I’m gonna have a solo career.’ And we tried to talk to him — I know I did — in front of the manager and everybody else: ‘Stay in the band. Have your solo career. Have your cake and eat it too. We don’t want anything from you. If you’re not happy, do other stuff, but don’t break up the band. That’s lunacy.’ And he just never made smart decisions. So, he said on the way out, ‘You just watch. I’m gonna sell 10 million copies of my solo record.’ That’s a quote. And we said, ‘No, don’t do that. Just stay in the band.’ And he said, more than once, ‘If I don’t leave the band and if I do another tour, I’m gonna kill myself.’ So whatever was going on, it breaks your heart.”
He went on to say that despite his issues with substance abuse, Frehley was one of the most influential guitarists of his era.
“You look at his body of work, and guitar players from Eddie Van Halen to — who’s the kid from Metallica? God, I just forgot it — they point to Ace, or Tom Morello and everything, ‘I cut my teeth on guitar by listening to Ace.’ Of course. And he was so proud and so happy to hear from the White House — not from the president — that KISS had won the Kennedy Center awards thing [last year]. And he so much looked forward to [being honored last December]. As a kind of a street kid joins a band and goes to the highest level of American — I don’t know — awards. And he just didn’t make it.”
When asked what he would tell Frehley now if he had a chance to address him, Simmons said, “I should have, and could have, but I should have, a long time [ago], when you see the disease starting to get ahold of him, I should have, decades ago, took, took him aside — it’s called an intervention — and forced him to understand he’s not just hurting himself by his lifestyle choices, but his family, his child and the fans. It was a stupid and shameful decision on all our parts — I know mine too — is, ‘No, you don’t wanna get the fans upset. Let’s make believe he’s in the band and everything’s okay at home.’ And it it’s tough. It’s really tough.
Right now the fans who are gonna listen to this are gonna [say], ‘Prick Gene, he never says anything [positive].’ … But the kids at home don’t understand [what it was like when Ace was loaded on drugs and alcohol]. They never met and spent time with Ace. When he’s straight — lovable, everything’s great. Early on, and when the stuff started to take hold, it was Jekyll and Hyde. You just can’t make smart decisions when you’re drunk or high.”
After podcast host Michael Rosenbaum noted that it’s obvious how much Simmons loved and cared about Frehley, he said, “Look, over the years, whether it was up or down, he’d call and ask for my favor, ‘Can you come up and write some songs with me?’ At the height of me telling him, ‘You’re a moron. You’re making horrible life decisions’ and stuff. But he calls, ‘I’m doing a new record. You wanna write some [songs with me]?’ ‘Sure.’ I got in my car, drove out to the desert where he was, and we wrote two new songs.”
Asked if writing songs with Frehley again was an enjoyable process, the bassist said, “Sure. Because Ace was focused. He cared and was committed to him, which is understandable. We all love our stuff. But when it came to being around other guys… And when it came to guitar, nobody touched him. But when it came to songwriting, unfortunately, there were other guys — Paul [Stanley, KISS guitarist/vocalist] and myself — that wrote most of the stuff [in KISS].”
Last December, Simmons apologized for suggesting Ace‘s death was the result of the guitarist’s “bad decisions”.
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Now before everyone bashes Simmons, REMEMBER he was ASKED the question.
However at this point, if Simmons was more mindful, he would remind these podcasters and interviewers, that he has answered this question too many times to count, and he does not wish to rehash the subject anymore, out of respect to Frehley and his family.
100% agree with you, Dana! At least he is consistent with what he says. But enough is enough. Reporters have an obligation to do due diligence before interviewing somebody. If I were Gene, or Paul, or anyone for that matter, I would end interviews if I was continuously asked the same question over and over for decades.
I also feel Gene and Paul have some kind of inferiority complex going on. This would explain the bravado, the holier than thou attitude and continuous bashing of former members over the years (they weren’t always asked and voluntarily brought it up many times). I think the Kiss shitshow started when Ace’s solo album sold more than the other three guys did. The fans seemed to love Ace the most in my opinion. So Gene and Paul’s response has been their bravado and other things they’ve said and done to put themselves front and center. They are guilty of jealousy and greed. And despite being extremely wealthy, I bet deep down inside they’ve been miserable their entire lives.
It took me a long time to acknowledge all the damage I caused through my excessive drinking. I had a blast at first. Then it became my crutch. Of course when I had to face my inevitable unpleasant consequences it was everybody else’s fault. The real cause of my excessive drinking was boredom. I didn’t have any challenging life goals and alcohol can make a boring, lonely day much more tolerable. I’m happy I stopped but I do miss the initial feeling of comfort alcohol gives me. Its so addictive for many people you wonder why its even legal sometimes.
Ace said that if wasn’t for Gene and Paul, Kiss never would’ve gone anywhere…he wasn’t stupid. I think he got tired of the routine and started to get bored with it, and got messed up…the touring wore him out….and after being so prominent in the band for two records…the other two main guys decided they believed their own hype with that Elder record and treated Ace like a sideman, the hired help, which is like getting your soul torn out…so Ace became a shell of who he was in the band….then these guys put his face on a record he’s not even on….like who was Ace to them? this paper shell they could just move around for their purposes? He went from being one of the most respected rock guitarists in the industry to being a complete mess…What I don’t understand is how the cup is always, always half empty with their two former bandmates…it’s just not accurate to talk that way about them, or anybody really.