2/23: EDDIE’S TAKE ON KISS AND NO PERFORMANCE AT HALL.

Wanted to post earlier today but we had to actually upgrade our server because of all the activity on the site this weekend (thanks webmaster David for your help!). Now that Gene and Paul have weighed in on the HOF drama of the weekend we have a pretty clear picture on the eve of tickets going on sale that Kiss is not playing at all now in any form. Clearly they had to make some statement here after all the fallout from Ace on my radio show Friday night and Peter’s statement yesterday. So now that all sides have weighed in here is MY analysis of all of this for those interested as far as what has gone on.

Gene and Paul were never going to play with Ace and Peter at this event. Just wasn’t ever going to happen. Look no further than Paul’s official Twitter a few weeks ago when he essentially said as much. Ace, Peter, and MANY members of the HOF I spoke to over the last few weeks confirmed they wanted to play with the current band and had no intention of an originals reunion. The Kiss statement saying “we don’t believe the memory will be enhanced” in playing with Ace and Peter really translates to Gene and Paul not wanting to open a can of worms, and honestly likely not thinking they can cut it with them anymore. They know this can’t be a jump up and jam thing. They need to rehearse and prepare to do it right. That would require them reconnecting for a few days. That opens cans of worms so to speak. So they were never going to go down those roads with the original band. In their view too complicated and just like at MTV unplugged, it would make it very hard to continue to sell what they are now doing afterwards. Ace, Peter and the HOF didn’t just make it up that they didn’t want to play with them. Perhaps they would have allowed Ace and Peter to come up at the group jam at the end, but Gene, Paul, Peter and Ace alone on stage playing a song was something Gene and Paul were never going to allow or have happen. To them it’s complicated on way too many levels. So once Ace and Peter released their statements Gene & Paul’s only way out of the backlash was to check out of playing all together which they did today. And you know what? No matter how this was arrived at it is the best available scenario given they won’t play with the original band. Since the original four are being inducted out of respect no performance is better than Ace and Peter having to watch the current band. I think this also makes it likely (but far from 100%) that everyone at least shows up and speaks. So what we hopefully end up with is a photo op of the original guys, a few words from each, then some sort of all star Kiss tribute band or video package. The HOF will now have to figure that out. But I can tell you this is a victory of sorts for Ace and Peter who now may attend and will not feel dissed having to see personas they created playing at their induction. But it is clear, and I have confirmed with many over the last month involved with the HOF, that Gene and Paul would not play with only the original band at this event. The HOF wanted that, Ace and Peter were up for it (as Ace said on my show when first announced as going in) but Gene and Paul would not have it and wanted to play with the current band. Again, Paul said “very unlikely” over a month ago on Twitter when asked about a reunion and “no way” to them wearing makeup. So where this is all coming from should not be a surprise. It’s pretty clear and honestly it is Gene & Paul’s right at this point, even if you disagree strongly with it. They own Kiss like it or not. To me anything else is spin and damage control at this point. But again, to me, this is the second best scenario given only the originals are being inducted. At least it gets them all there hopefully!

A few other things; do Gene and Paul attend? They say in their statement they will “celebrate” the induction but that doesn’t always mean show up. I would assume they would, but none of the original four have clear cut said yet “we will be there”.

Clearly Gene and Paul are annoyed (and you can make the case rightfully so) that only the original four are being inducted. However their statement left out Vinnie Vincent (a HUGE contributor to Kiss comeback of the 80’s) and the late Mark St John. We all know Kiss and Vinnie had their issues, but if they truly wanted to celebrate KISStory completely Vinnie would certainly at least deserve an invite and mention? I have said all along I think it had to be only the original guys or EVERYONE who was in Kiss to do this right. Kind of hard to pick and choose. The HOF decided only originals. So when they said in their statement “the entire history”, they are still leaving out some gaps.

And that’s another issue. Kiss in their statement continue to allude to all the success they have had without Ace and Peter. Relatively speaking that is true. But you can not discount the fact that the bands biggest periods by far were with the original band. The 70’s were most iconic, then the 90’s reunion was equally huge. Who knows if Ace and Peter didn’t do the reunion tour in ’96 if there would even still be a Kiss today? Reunions happen because bands need them and they are much bigger than whatever that band is doing at the time. Nobody does a reunion tour because it means less people or interest. Current Kiss does very well in festivals and some parts of the world. But to say in America the band is as big as ever (as I have heard stated) is just false. The last full US tour was a CO HEADLINE. You don’t go 50/50 with another band unless you need the help. On the flipside it is without question true that Gene and Paul have kept this alive for 40 years and steered the ship (with good and bad decisions in my view), so without that commitment who knows what would have happened? There were several versions of Kiss. I was a fan of many. But the simple truth is nothing was or will be bigger than the original four guys. That is just fact if you really take in the history.

If the HOF had decided to induct all the members then for sure the case could be made that everyone plays. But they decided to induct the four that started it all only. It sucks for us fans that the powers that be here wouldn’t make that work for at least a song or two, but I think where we arrived at today with no performance is the second best scenario. Now let’s see if they all show, who does the induction (I know but can’t say!) and what the HOF does as a tribute. It’s been a wild weekend since Ace started this with his announcement on my radio show late this past Friday night (audio on the home page) and where we go from here should be interesting as well. I’ll be live on SiriusXM channel 39 6-10P ET tomorrow and will take your calls. That’s MY take, look forward to yours here on the site or on the radio.

Oh, one last thing. Much has been made about the impact all of this will have on sales to the event tomorrow. The timing here was key since MANY were going to come from around the world assuming a performance by the original band one last time. So clearly it’s great those people now know the deal. I think it will for sure change the dynamic of the crowd makeup in the building that night. But as long as the original four show up I’d say a good showing from Kiss fans will be there. But nothing like if it was a reunion performance. Also remember there are many other bands being honored that night. Nirvana and Springsteen also have pretty big bases. So I suspect ticket sales will be just fine when that is all factored in. I’m sure there will be much more to discuss. Never dull being a Kiss fan!

185 Responses

  1. Thank you for pointing out that the biggest periods of the band’s career were with the originals. This needs to be pointed out to G&P. I would be less unhappy if they could at least acknowledge that, and be able to celebrate those times. They fail to recognize that A&P helped rebuild their careers and make the current licensing juggernaut possible post-Reunion.

    1. The reunion tour was the biggest in terms of concert grosses, but to write off the in-between non-makeup years as a failure is wrong. Kiss were pretty darn high profile throughout the 80’s. No, they weren’t as big as Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Poison, Van Halen, or AC/DC (they were definitely bigger than Aerosmith until their ’87 comeback though), but they were always there in the mix, always doing respectable album sales and concert business.

  2. Honestly, if you listen to any of the KISS concerts from the last 2 years, it is obvious that Paul can not sing live anymore. My prediction is that KISS will end after the 40th Anniversary Tour. I saw every tour from 86 up until the tour before Monster. The ticket prices are way too high to see a substandard show. Paul and Gene had an opportunity to put their egos and personal feelings aside for one night to celebrate the glory years of the band and decided to use this weak “everyone should be inducted” excuse to deprive the fans of seeing the original members play together one last time. I will never spend another dollar on KISS again. I blame Paul for this decision, as I don’t see Gene really caring about playing with Ace and Peter. Paul has turned into a real diva the last few years. Karma got you Paul as your voice is shot, but Peter and Ace can still sing as well as they always have.

    1. Lol Peter can still sing.? Ohhhh yes, you’re right….as I listen to All for One. Undoubtedly the most horrific album ever made.

    2. Always thought Peter had a decent, real, smoky sort of voice, however sucky material could make anyone sound bad.

    3. It wasn’t the material. Listen to some samples on I-tunes. The military should have cranked that album for the detainees at Gitmo. The intel would have floooowed.

  3. This induction had “UGLY” written on it from the very beginning. Being a huge Van Halen fan and remembering their failed induction I see this as being an equal failure. It’s a bummer for everyone involved to have something so good go so bad. I agree 100% that their inductions took way tooooo long.

  4. Seriously, Paul has issues. I think Gene was the only one saying from the current KISS camp saying he would do a reunion. So all the reunion hate must be from Paul. What is his issue??? Life can twist our best decisions. So he wanted KISS to be without Ace and Peter. Fans kinda want Ace and Peter at least one last time in KISS. Let A and P play. What’s the big deal. Your way isn’t going over well, so just let it be and do what fans want. Don’t take it personal.

    I am amazed that Gene projects this super macho god of thunder thing but let’s Paul run things like this. From what he said, I assume Gene would be down for a reunion HOF performance. So the bad stuff must be from Paul. What does Paul have over Gene that Paul gets to run the show ???

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